How to Become Financially Independent and Move to Taiwan with Maxwell Lee

Intro – How to Become Financially Independent and Move to Taiwan with Maxwell Lee

In this episode of the Expat Empire Podcast, we will be hearing from Maxwell Lee. Maxwell, a native of Northeast Florida, spent much of his earlier years pursuing his musical career. He met his wife while traveling in the US and they have since had two beautiful children together.

Maxwell and his wife soon ventured into real estate investing and started flipping houses, rehabilitating properties, and investing in long-term holds. Over time, real estate became the financial foundation to fuel their nomadic lifestyle. They are currently in the middle of a months-long trip to several cities in North and Latin America. Inspired by their familial roots in Malaysia and Macau, they have decided to move more permanently to Taiwan later this year! 

Listen to Maxwell tell his story and the fantastic plans his family has in store for their upcoming migration to Taipei, Taiwan!

LEARN in this episode:

✔ How Maxwell gained financial independence by following the FIRE movement (Financial Independence, Retire Early)

✔ All of the education options you can consider when traveling with young children

✔ The importance of getting started early and not living with the regret of a missed opportunity

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Conversation

Intro

Welcome to the Expat Empire Podcast, the podcast where you can hear from expats around the world and learn how you can join them.

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With that said, let’s start the conversation.

Conversation

David McNeill: [00:00:47] Hey Max, thanks so much for joining us today on the Expat Empire Podcast.

Maxwell Lee: [00:00:51] Thanks for having me, David. I’m glad we can make it work.

David McNeill: [00:00:54] Yeah, absolutely. It’s going to be awesome to hear about your story. We’ve been actually talking together for a while, given that you’re a fan of the show and part of the overall community. It’s really great to hear about your adventures and how you’ve taken off on the road inside the United States and where you’re headed next.

Maxwell Lee: [00:01:11] Yeah, I guess in a way. I hadn’t thought about this, but I guess in a way your show has contributed to inspiring me to make that move.

David McNeill: [00:01:21] That’s great to hear. It’s always awesome to connect with people that really like the show and would love just to share your story with our audience as well. If you could kick it off by telling us a bit about your background, where you’re originally from, where around the world you’ve lived or even traveled to so far, maybe that’s too long of a list, and also where you’re based right now, that would be great.

Maxwell Lee: [00:01:41] Alright. I grew up in Florida pretty much my whole life. Throughout college I was in Northeast Florida, Jacksonville and then I went to undergrad at the University of Florida. Then after that, I spent some time around the country, Chicago, DC, which is where I met my wife, and then back to Florida when we decided to launch a real estate investing company. That fast forwards us to around my late twenties, and maybe I was already 30. Just turned 30 and we started a real estate investing company. Got married and we were very focused on our market in Northeast Florida. That’s what brought me back to Jacksonville, Florida doing all kinds of stuff in real estate. We’re flipping, rehabbing, and investing in long-term holds. We did commercial properties as well as residential. All kinds of stuff in that space, just because it was a very booming market at the time.

We had a lot of access to capital for real estate investing. Just a lot of people that we knew in our networks who wanted to invest. It was just a good time for us. Good timing with the market and a good time in our lives to do that. Just naturally with real estate investing, a lot of the conversation with your colleagues is about generating passive income and getting enough rental properties to where you don’t really have to work as much anymore. I guess that brings us to this FIRE movement, Financially Independent Retire Early, which we did not hear about for many years while we were doing real estate. We didn’t know about that. It wasn’t until we reached that point, I guess, when we met a friend of a friend who had just moved to Jacksonville, Florida, and she is a financial blogger and just now I guess, financial media person in general.

We met up with her. She had children just like us and was moving to the area. We wanted to meet up and help her transition, even though we were about to move away from Jacksonville. She informed us what FIRE was – it was a topic that she wrote a lot about. That was the first time it clicked for me. Wow, there’s this huge community of people who more or less have been doing, what we’ve been doing with real estate. As I mentioned, we were just preparing to leave Jacksonville and we see that point as a milestone in a sense because that’s when we felt the financial freedom to stop working just purely for the income. We left Jacksonville because my wife wanted to go teach at a charter school, and teach math, that was something she’d always been interested in.

She had an opportunity with her previous math teachers from high school to join them at a new charter school. For us, that’s sort of the moment when we felt like we had reached this new level of financial freedom where we were able to make decisions based on passion. For her, it was not doing the real estate business anymore because quite honestly, she was burned out from it and she never really loved doing it anyway. That was the summer of 2017 for us when we did that. I like to mention that, because psychologically and mentally for us, that was a big moment.

David McNeill: [00:05:10] Where did you go from there?

Maxwell Lee: [00:05:14] From Jacksonville, then we moved to Miami, as I mentioned, it was her high school teachers, and math teachers. That’s where she went to high school in Miami, Doral Florida. She still has lots of family there. So, it was partially for her to try out teaching and partially for us to move close to a lot of family. Since we had two young kids, it was pretty great to be down there near her parents, near lots of other extended family. We were there for about four and a half years. Then, just this past December, we made that next leap, which was to rent out our home in Doral and then, start traveling the world.

We’ve been doing that for three months now. I should say not traveling the world, we’re traveling North America, the US, and Mexico. In July of this year now, we’re going to move to Taiwan. This is a taste of nomadic family life right now and then we will make an expat move to Taiwan for about three to five years. We don’t know exactly what the future holds, but that’s what we’re mentally preparing for.

David McNeill: [00:06:27] Okay. That sounds pretty amazing. Obviously, you’re off on your way and soon to make an even bigger move over the ocean and get set up in a brand-new country. So, it’s super exciting for you guys. I’m happy to hear about how it’s all come together. I was curious to go even back to when you were starting this real estate investment company, because, clearly this is the way that at least over those years, you were able to get to a point where you could retire early and be financially independent. So, I’m curious, did you have experience doing that type of property and real estate investing and all of that prior to starting this? Or did you really start from scratch and how did you get those initial funds to do that investing? If you can give us any extra information how you got started so that people might be able to do the same though would be great.

Maxwell Lee: [00:07:07] Absolutely. I’d say, we began in earnest in 2012. At that point, I had zero experience with real estate investing, construction, and anything involving real estate investment. I was a fan on the sidelines if you will. I liked to follow the market. I was always paying attention to real estate and the different neighborhoods of the cities that I was in. But I never actually did it myself and I never actually even thought that I would. It was just something that I did for fun. Just watching different neighborhoods transition. I never really thought that I would make the leap. The reason was that my parents had invested in one property when I was much younger and that did not go well at all for them. My family was just very averse to owning real estate in that sense to owning rental properties. 

On the other hand, my wife, and her family, that’s all of their investment. They invest tons into real estate and she had that gene in her. When she got her first job in Tampa, she bought a home, and then she was working for a very large conglomerate. She moved around the country quite a bit and whenever she settled in a place for a while, then she’d looked to invest in property there. Her attitude was very different from mine. She was pushing me for a while to use my interest and passion for watching properties and neighborhoods and really suggesting that we actually put money into it instead of just me doing this as a game.

Finally, around 2012, we decided to do that. As for how to get started, for us, we were very fortunate because we had a decent lump of savings that we could take out of stocks and where they were out of the markets and divert them to real estate. We had enough that we could get things going and we made a couple of cash purchases in Jacksonville, which was a very, very affordable market at the time. We bought three properties and they were all around $50K all in. Very, very affordable at the time. That allowed us to get started and dip our toes in it and just to learn how the process worked. Because all of those needed rehab.

Once we felt comfortable that we at least had some idea of how to do this, then we started to accept partners and other investors who had been talking to us for a while. We just wanted to make sure we knew we had some understanding of what to do before we took other investments. That’s how we got started and we were very fortunate. We recognize that to be able to have some money for us to start and also to have access to capital was very beneficial.

David McNeill: [00:10:04] Yeah, absolutely. You started that business around 2012, I believe, then in 2017 you started to realize that you could retire early and work by choice as opposed to needing to for money. Why did you decide then, and of course then moving forward to 2021, why did you decide at that time that you wanted to start becoming a bit of a nomad and ultimately to move to Taiwan because you could stay in America as well, but there must have been something driving you to make these big life decisions to move around as well?

Maxwell Lee: [00:10:37] Yeah. When my wife and I met over a decade ago, we were both avid travelers. That was just such a big part of our life. We were actually long-distance for a while and spent lots and lots of time either visiting each other because we were working remotely or very flexible, I guess, or we were traveling together. That was something that brought us together for sure, the love of travel. I remember as far back in our relationship as I can recall, we talked about living in Asia. For me, it’s just a place that I’ve always been drawn to. I have a lot of roots and connections there. My parents are both born and raised in Malaysia. Something about Chinese Malaysians is that they’ve dispersed everywhere. So, I have family all throughout Asia as well as in Europe, Australia, and North America. I just have family everywhere and I’ve always wanted to go and see and experience the different worlds and lives that they all live. 

For some reason, just Asia was an easier first step. We always talked about moving to Asia, and having a base there. My wife, I should mention though that she was actually born in Macau and grew up in Macau until she was 12, that’s when her family moved to Miami. She had that roots and experience living in Asia before. For her, it’s a different kind of perspective, it’s more about wanting to go back to Asia and spend some more time there. But for me, I’ve always had this calling of seeing more of the world.

We talked about it and before we had our first child, we considered moving to Macau to give birth. It would come up quite often, every 12 months, or every 18 months we’d have a serious discussion about moving. That’s just been part of the conversation. It’s been on our minds for a long, long time. Finally, before COVID, before the pandemic began, we were living in Miami and we decided, that our next move once we left Miami was to go to Asia somewhere. I do get this question a lot about why we chose Taiwan. So, I’ll just go ahead and add that.

Now that we have two young kids, we were thinking about where we’d want them to spend some significant time. Since we are ethnically Chinese, we wanted them to be in those customs and cultures. We did want them to be immersed in the Chinese language, preferably Mandarin, but we were considering some Cantonese cities as well. That was the driving force and then of course, just the general quality of life factors. In the end, we chose Taiwan specifically because of the city, which is Taipei, that’s where we were moving. Taipei just offered the best balance, I think, of a lot of the positives and of many of the cities we considered and then less of the negatives.

It’s quite affordable still but it’s very cosmopolitan. It has enough going on. A lot of big-city conveniences and still has a lot of access to nature as well. All of those things went together. We were in the final three, we were thinking about Singapore and Penang, Malaysia, along with Taipei. Taipei just went out for being the best balance of everything.

David McNeill: [00:14:10] Had you actually visited all of those places before making the decision or was it just looking at the information you get beforehand to make that choice?

Maxwell Lee: [00:14:18] There was definitely some of the latter but we have traveled quite extensively in Asia prior. When you were asking me about my travels, just in my general life I was going to say that, I’ve traveled quite a lot and I think most people would say that about me. I always feel like all of my travel predominantly has been to Asia and North America. I feel like I’m lacking everywhere else. When it comes to Asia, I’m very familiar with many, many of the big cities. I’ve spent lots and lots of time traveling around Asia.

For me, I had a pretty good handle on the 10 cities or so that we were considering, and then, we took a trip in 2019 where we basically hit everywhere. I think we went to 12 different cities in Asia and at minimum, we were spending about four or five nights in each of the cities that we were thinking about. That last trip really helped to inform things as we were thinking about where to live.

David McNeill: [00:15:17] No, that’s perfect. First of all, you’ve now hit it out on some long-term travel. At least something like six to eight months, I guess, eight months and you’re going around north America. How did you decide to do that first instead of going straight to Taiwan? Ultimately, how did you decide where to go? Because even within North America there’s certainly a lot of places to visit. Were you trying to hit your favorite spots or places or places you hadn’t been before? How did you decide as a family?

Maxwell Lee: [00:15:45] With COVID, in early 2020, we were really starting to zero in on where we wanted to move to Asia. Of course, COVID happened. Everything just remained fluid and flexible. At one point we thought we were going to move by the middle of 2021 to Asia. Obviously, that got delayed and postponed. Once we decided on Taiwan, one of the things was, Taiwan with their zero COVID policy, they have very, very strict border restrictions. For a while they had a very difficult quarantine period. Now, it’s come down to 10 days of quarantine and they’re allowing home quarantine, which means you don’t have to go to a hotel or government facility for your quarantine. Now it’s improving and we’re hoping it gets even better by July.

But yeah, with what was going on in Taiwan and us deciding to move there, we just had to wait and bide our time, and we had decided it wasn’t worth it yet to move if we were going to have to spend 14 nights in separate hotel rooms for our family. That was one of the concerns. It was hard to really plan for an exact date to move. 

At the same time, also my wife ended up getting a fantastic job opportunity. During the last few years, we really got into startup investing. We’ve pivoted a lot of our real estate to focus on start-ups. We were doing a little bit of small angel investing into early-stage companies. Then my wife wanted to pursue it professionally. She took a course; she was doing her own syndications and stuff. She got this amazing job offer to work for a VC firm. That VC firm is based in San Francisco, even though they’re distributed as a company, they work more or less around San Francisco hours. 

When that happened, this was last summer 2021. We were still thinking about moving to Taiwan, but when she got that job and then she loved it, those first couple months, then we decided we should let her stay in that position for at least nine months, a year.

If we moved to Taiwan right away, then she wouldn’t have been able to continue. We still really wanted to get out of Florida. We were just ready to do something, but we wanted to stay in time zones where she could continue to work for this company. That’s more or less how we got to the point of leaving our home in Miami, but staying in this hemisphere and trying to continue doing something that she was really enjoying. Now that we are moving to Taiwan in July, she’s told her employer and they really want to create roles and positions for her so that she can continue to do it even while we’re there.

That’s the good news and she’s still enjoying it a lot. Even though there’s still uncertainty with Taiwan, the reason why we finally gave ourselves a deadline of moving there in late July is because we are planning to put my older son in school. Starting in the fall, he would start school in Taiwan. Regardless of what the quarantine situation is, we’ll go through that at that point.

David McNeill: [00:19:07] That makes sense. As far as your travels right now because we talked before this, I know you’re there in Mexico City. How did you decide where to take yourselves over the last few months and where you’re headed next before Taiwan?

Maxwell Lee: [00:19:23] Yeah. I wanted to hit up places that I guess, there’s a lot of countries that I’m particularly interested in, in Latin America and the way Mexico came about, to be quite honest it was not a priority for me like Panama, Columbia, Peru. There’s a lot of other countries that I’ve long wanted to spend time in. Mexico came as a surprise because I ended up getting connected with a couple of world schooling communities. World schooling is when families that take their children to different places in the world just to learn and get exposure. It can be homeschooling. It can be unschooling. It can be being in local schools, or it could just be traveling a lot during school breaks from wherever your home normally is.

With that said, I connected with some world-schooling communities that were doing a lot of events in Mexico. When I took a look at where they were going to be, I decided that was enough of a draw for us to spend some time here. That’s how Mexico came about. Not that it wasn’t also someplace that I was interested in but it wouldn’t have been my first or second choice because like I said before, I spent such little time in central and south America that there’s so many places that I want to see. 

That’s sort of the way I take most things in our lives and in our travels is, I do try to do what’s somewhat practical. I felt like with the world schooling communities and us wanting to connect with those people and spend time with them and those families, it made sense to come here over just striking out to one of the other places on their own, plus the travel. The airfare lined up nicely. The pricing worked out. That’s another practical side. There’s so much of the world I want to see. I might as well just take the opportunities that come our way first.

David McNeill: [00:21:30] Right. That makes sense. I’d like to talk a little bit more about what it’s like to do this with children, do it as a family. As you said, thinking about how to school your children, what different methods to use or ways of going about it as well as dealing with school years and being in, I guess, maybe a local school or an international school, however you’ve decided to do it. It would be good to hear about what challenges that might have. Obviously, it brings a lot of benefits as well, but just how you manage it in terms of doing it with kids, as opposed to, a lot of people being nomads as individuals or as couples or things like that. Any thoughts you have there would be great.

Maxwell Lee: [00:22:05] We’re still learning and figuring out. I’d say it’s far from under control, I guess, on our end. Our kids are young. My older son is six, he technically wouldn’t be starting first grade until this fall, if we were back in the states or if we were in Florida at least where we were living. I guess there’s more freedom and flexibility for us in that sense because he’s still young. He didn’t really have a school routine nor a strict curriculum that we’d want to try to follow. His experience with kindergarten was during COVID. Even though we had him enrolled in kindergarten in our county, he was only doing an hour of Zoom every day.

I guess there’s just not a lot of history there and experience for him for us to feel like we were taking him away from any kind of routine or regular experience that he’d grown accustomed to. Also just being young, I’d say there’s not as much concern or weight or pressure, I guess, around exact subject matter that he needs to cover, things like that. He’s still very young and our other son even more so. I think I feel very comfortable letting them learn about and explore the things that they find interesting. As we travel, when things come up, when topics come up, that’s when we really try to jump on those elements of their curiosity and then let those guide what we might teach them.

From that standpoint, it’s really helped a lot. I think we noticed this too, even before we made that full-time leap into nomadism. Whenever we would travel, they always seem to spark a lot more curiosity than when we were just at home. We were anticipating that it would be like this, and that has been the case. They’ve definitely shown an interest in different things, different places, and different histories. I think that’s one of the things we’ve learned from some of the world schooling communities is to really use that as a guide for teaching things.

Some people really take it to the extreme because unschoolers, through elementary, and middle school age, they’re continuing to use that as the guide rather than any actual curriculum. We’re not necessarily going to do that. As I mentioned, we’re putting our kids in a local school in Taiwan. But I do think, for us, the priority is, is for our kids to have sort of an interest in learning and foster that curiosity. This traveling has really helped our family with that.

David McNeill: [00:24:56] Yeah. I can imagine. Have there been any other major surprises or challenges that you’ve encountered in this nomad journey so far over the last few months?

Maxwell Lee: [00:25:06] I don’t think so. It’s only been a few months versus quite a few years of actually thinking and planning. I had thought about all kinds of random situations and contingencies. To be quite honest, it’s really just been pretty smooth and about as wonderful as I thought it could be. I always feel when I talk to friends and family, I have to try to come up with something that makes it more of a realistic experience. I was talking to you earlier about the pollution in Mexico City and how that’s affecting my allergies, that’s about the only negative I can think of. I try to come up with these negatives just to balance out the amazing experience that we’re having, but really, it’s just been awesome.

I feel bad. Not being able to give more insight, but really, we’ve just had such an amazing time and we were very fortunate to be in the position we were in to be able to do this in the way that we have. It’s been awesome. I’m sure once we’ve done it for six months and if we were going to continue for years, I’m sure there’d be lots of bigger obstacles and unexpected things that come up. So far, knock on wood, it’s just been great, nothing really unexpected or surprising that we weren’t prepared for.

David McNeill: [00:26:31] That’s great. Well, you’ve obviously spent the time to get prepared as well. That also goes into having such a smooth transition into this lifestyle, but it’s super exciting to hear that and exciting also to hear how it develops for you as we check in over the coming months. But as you think about your move to Taiwan, I was curious as to given that it sounds like you’re both not from Taiwan originally. How did you make it work from a visa perspective and what was that process like?

Maxwell Lee: [00:26:58] First of all, I do have one aunt, she’s from Malaysia, but she’s been in Taiwan for decades now. She’s been there so long that when I used to visit her as a little kid, we were visiting her in Taiwan. She gives me a little bit of an anchor there or comfort and familiarity there. As far as the legal process, Taiwan has the gold card, which I was fortunate enough to qualify for, and that just streamlines the process and makes it a lot easier for us and for me to bring the family over and for the kids to enroll in school and for healthcare, it just makes everything a lot easier being able to obtain the gold card.

I did not know, I thought it was 50 – 50 as a tossup whether I’d actually qualify or not or I shouldn’t say qualify, but whether I would actually be accepted or not because I went the route of the arts. I guess this is something I completely skipped over in the beginning, but I was actually a musician at the beginning of my career. I worked in music. I was a performer, a writer, a composer, and a teacher. When I applied for the gold card in the arts, I was applying based on my work over a decade ago. I really didn’t know whether it would be enough for them to accept or not, but they accepted it. That just made the process a lot easier.

If I didn’t get the gold card, there are other routes we could take. We were thinking of setting up our own company, an arm of our investment company. They have this process where you can set up an office for not actually conducting business, but for exploring, and expanding your business there. That would’ve allowed us a few years to sponsor ourselves in Taiwan, living in Taiwan. They also have a few other options. Investment visa, which would have been a third option, but that one would’ve been a little bit tougher because the requirements are a little bit higher than what we would feel comfortable with, but Taiwan does have a few different options. Those were the ones that we were considering. Luckily our plan A worked out. That’s how we’re moving over there.

David McNeill: [00:29:11] That’s perfect, tangentially related to that, I’m curious on given the fact that we’ve talked about your wife and her job and the great investing that she’s been able to do and also that you don’t have to work for your daily income unless you choose to. I was curious how you decided to fill your time. Of course, now you’re traveling, I’m sure that’s taking up plenty of it and you mentioned your music as well. I was just curious what really excites you or interests you or are you just planning to more or less take it easy from here and of course continue your real estate investing as well.

Maxwell Lee: [00:29:45] Thanks for that question because I really need to be reminded of it and refocus myself from time to time. Right now during this nomadic period, I’m just more like hanging out with the kids and managing the family from a logistics standpoint and then doing some content creation here and there for fun. When we move to Taiwan, the expectation and the plan is for me to really get back into my music career and revive that. As I said, I applied and received a gold card. My application was suggesting that I was going to be doing a lot of different things in the arts when I move over there.

While that’s actually not a requirement, gold card recipients don’t even have to work at all. You don’t have to have a job. It’s essentially a quasi-retirement visa for some people. I’m not under any obligation to do anything particular with my gold card, but I do want to utilize it for what I said I was going to do and really pursue a lot of these different music projects. I have some friends who are musicians over there. I plan to collaborate with them and I guess, generally speaking, that’s what I’m planning to do in Taiwan, is to really get fully back into music and composing, and performing. Just all kinds of stuff.

David McNeill: [00:31:14] Great. Well, is there anywhere that our listeners can check out what you’re up to and keep on top of your adventures and your music, and other projects as well?

Maxwell Lee: [00:31:22] I have so many different things that are just throwing all across the wall. I think the best landing spot is my website, www.firewalkingjourney.com. I do need to check it and update it. If you go there, then that pulls together all of the different projects that I’ve started and that I’m working on.

David McNeill: [00:31:44] Sure. We’ll put a link for that in the show notes. I do have one other question for you, which is more about basically, do you have any general advice for people that might be wanting to try this digital nomad kind of existence or fire or going after living in Taiwan on the gold card. You talked about so many great things in this episode that I’d love just to hear your overall thoughts and advice for people that are trying to follow in your footsteps.

Maxwell Lee: [00:32:09] As you were asking that question, a couple of things came to mind and it’s my own psychological thing. I feel like I’ve been so fortunate in many different ways that when I try to give advice it’s coming from, well, somebody who got lucky. My advice is not as applicable to everyone and that might be true. Instead, what I think about is, what if I had gotten started before I had all my ducks in a row and before we were blessed and everything fell into place for us; when I was a struggling musician or something 15 years ago. I think that I could have just made the leap in and been an expat and moved to Asia like I wanted to and I think everything would’ve worked out really nicely still. 

As a result of that, and maybe I’m wrong, but because of that, I guess my advice is just don’t put things off too much. Granted, I feel very good about where my family is today. It’s almost going against my experience, but I do think that if you just get started and don’t wait for everything to just be perfect, I think you can make things work. For me, sometimes there’s regret about some opportunities I missed because I wanted to wait for everything to just be solid and not take much of a risk. Sometimes I live with a little bit of regret from that. 

I don’t think people need to wait because I guess this is where I can draw from my experience. I think that if you wait, sometimes you end up waiting longer and longer and longer because as you want to make things in an ideal manner, then the ideal shifts slightly and then you have to chase that a little bit more. Instead, if you just get started even if it’s not ideal if you can make it work out, then that’s just as good. I guess I don’t want people to take risks that they can’t, that they shouldn’t take, but you don’t have to go for the picture-perfect moment and everything doesn’t have to just line up perfectly. You can calculate your risk and understand what you’re getting yourself into and then go for it.

David McNeill: [00:34:25] Yeah. That’s great advice. As you said, the goalposts tend to always move, right? It’s good to sometimes get in front of it and not wait for too long for that perfect time because often that doesn’t actually appear. As we’ve seen with the pandemic and everything else, maybe you had that perfect time that you had planned in the middle of 2020, but suddenly things are more difficult to make happen. Take some action as you can.

Well, thank you so much again, Max, for just telling us all about your journey and where you are so far. I’m really excited to check back in with you once you make it over there to Taiwan, to see how the rest of your travels go and how things go in terms of getting set up there in Taiwan. I’m looking forward to that and just can’t wait to keep in touch and see where things go for you.

Maxwell Lee: [00:35:10] I really look forward to talking again. I feel like our family is again, very prepared for that move to Taiwan, but I’m almost hoping that there’s some stumbling block or roadblock that I can report back to you, this is what happened and this is how we’re handling it. I figure that kind of drama is better for content. But so far, as I said, with the nomading, everything’s just been very smooth and I do think we’re pretty prepared for living in Taiwan as well.

David McNeill: [00:35:41] Awesome, I’m looking forward to the update and we’ll talk to you soon.

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